As an alternative to replacing them, we could just have new traditional sail covers made. Or, since Frost is a ketch, perhaps I should have written two of the items? I will be attending the 2017 MFA Conference in Jacksonville, and am always available if you have any questions. Another advantage of a Stackpack is that the sail stays furled within its protective cover on top of the boom, not draped over the boom. Can you deal with thew indigo it creates? However, I should say that it was designed specifically for my own requirements. THE UKS PREMIER BOAT COVER MAKER. Enter Our Dog Days of Summer BBQ Giveaway Now! This is going to cause chafing issues with the lines so he replaced the bowlines with pulleys. Our lazy jacks are 1/8" dyneema. Lacing shock cord loosely between these eyelets stops bird access. David and Spike got to work and lashed a low-friction ring on our diamond stays using thin Dyneema. Where possible, fold edges and do not use binding. They are becoming increasingly popular these days, rivallingSail Coversdue to ease of use. That's a different problem although somewhat related because it looks like I would need a #35 self-tailing winch (according to the "P" number of the sail = 43) to solve that problem (and those are about 900.00 ). That's a lot of content! That is what we have on ZTC (with separate lazy jacks), and the people we know here that have a similar vintage Amel Maramu have normal sail covers on their boat too. After having a first-hand look at the stack packs Dave makes, both onboard and under construction, we have used some of his processes on our sail covers and in other areas of cover making. We still make some this way. A forum community dedicated to Sailing enthusiasts. Your email address will not be published. The team was quic, Project update! We do have a full battened mainsail. Didn't notice any appreciable loss in boat speed, but the Hunter 34 moves pretty well in light winds to begin with. Most people don't bother to do so unless racing. One of the items that we have listed on our huge to fix/purchase list is a new stack pack. If I were replacing a mainsail cover, I would definitely switch to a Stackpack setup which has convenience similar that of a furling jib, You save twenty or so minutes every time you raise/lower the main. Hides the mess better when the drop is not as orderly as you'd wish and most importantly has replaced the time taken to put the sail cover on before the sundowner with a simple walk along the combing pulling the stack pack zip. If the sail is loose footed, does it impair the sail shape downwind, and can you even have a loose footed sail with a stack pack? This stops the zipper from coming undone and acts as the stopper for the zip slide. I can't imagine handling or cleating off 1/16" lines, because our 1/8" sometimes is difficult to handle when I need to make adjustments or drop the pack. Keeping the boat head to wind while hoisting has always been standard procedure for me regardless of what kind of boat or sail handling system I have. The covers we build are all Sunbrella acrylic canvas and are fully lined with mesh. Its convenient, but I think if I had to do it over again I would rig my own lazy jacks and have my sail cover made with reinforced slits in it so I could secure it,and run the jack lines under the boom. Push the sail into the pack , zip it up and you're done in minutes. We worked together for more than three years improving every one. Previously lazyjacks. The rope we use is a 6mm pre-stretch. Itstops abrasion from the corners of the sail when flaked and effectively stops the wearing to the Sunbrella and allows breathability. It is amazing how much more we raise the main now that we have a stack pack. Stack packs look unsightly to my eye. I hated it. The Boat Galley offers a way to loosen your lazy jacks and move them forward just before raising the mainsail, but thats two trips to the mast that you may not have to take. http://www.doylesails.com/cruising/dutchman/index.html. As for sail shape I don't see it mattering too much but then I'm mostly a cruiser and not racing the boat. Im intrigued by the simplicity and lack of fouling on hoist. There are different types; some can be screwed directly to the mast. Just be sure that you will be able to reach the head of the pack aft of the mast, where the zipper starts. As expected, others tried to copy our work with limited success. The real issue for me was that there was no way that inc conditions that demanded a storm sail we could have got the mainsail off, so there was no choice but a separate, slightly off-centre track. You must log in or register to reply here. You can still use your old cover with lazy jacks. I think that starting with a boat that had a traditional sail cover instilled in us the discipline to always tidy everything up after anchoring for the day. I agreed on the condition we swap ideas, as his shop was the only other manufacturer making improvements on each cover. As a result I could not remove it without also removing the main sail. We then moved to either a front or side zip, and the excess fabric was tucked away on Velcro tabs inside the cover, as they are prepared for sailing. I don't race, however, and mostly day sail, with short weekend cruises. We use a canvas-to-canvas attachment version of the Stayputfastener. So Im in favor for the sailcover. Then I have the option of slackening the jack lines so that I could rig a boom tent when moored. I don't mind lifting the 155% kevlar-mylar triradial, but the dacron 140% is a beast. You need to cover up the sail, to keep the UV degradation down, and it matters a lot. We have lazy jacks that do occasionally get in the way of the battens, but one or both sides can be lowered for a few minutes. We no longer arrive at our destinations completely fried from a long day in the blazing sun! In addition, where the covers are mounted to the mast with track, sometimes we add a zip on one side to allow the owner access to the mast runners. Just got a Doyle cradle last year. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. If you were sailing every day, Im not even sure its worth the advantage having a stack pack. For bigger crossings we then had the stormsail already loaded on that track and lashed at the bottom of the mast. I am reachable on the Cover and Cushion Forum or by email. This is our first boat with the lazy jack/stack bag combo and I wouldn't be without it now. Next week Hood Sails is installing a Tides Sail Track system on my E-33 next week and I am looking forward to it. If you want to be able to remove the stack pack, install some awning track to the boom each side. Otherwise, our enclosure is rolled up and out of sight. First, many pack systems allow one to pull the jacks to the mast and the bag to the boom, so none of the snagging concerns should ever be an issue. Our traditional sail covers have a forward zip on the front of the mast and by molding the fabric to cup over the zip, rather than being a straight flap, the zip cover sits perfectly. It comes in, My 37' Hanse was equipped with a stack pack system to handle its large loose footed main. Copyright 2017 Zero To Cruising. Today was a bit of a disaster on my 2nd sail struggling to get the big main with rope track up on my E-33 with a very under powered halyard winch. All Lazyjack attachment points are fully reinforced and we use Jackstay webbing with a 2-ton breaking strain for the attachment points. Under sail, of course, your lazy jacks are loose as the main is holding the boom up. I'm in the process of adding lazy jacks and a stack pack. While circumnavigating, weve learned so much about our boat, but one of our very early lessons was on lazy jacks. Comments are moderated and will show up after being approved. These are three-fold: In our local marinas, we have a very bad bird problem. It is effectively a sail that you cant reduce or control. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. I wonder if the stack pack is not at its best chartering, when the boat is likely to sail somewhere every day, and to see the afternoon at anchor every day. I love the convenience of dropping and zipping. Learn how your comment data is processed. While they do have some load to them because they need to hold up the weight of the pack, this is way below any sized dyneema rated working load. We kept the same system for 13 years, with only minor modification to the length and layout of lines, with a conventional mainsail cover. At the aft end, we add a 200mm zip extension. Sunbrella Textile Guide Sustainability Information, Cheoy Lee Offshore 41 Stackpack, ref 10099, Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 349 Stackpack, ref 5821. We even sometimes incorporate the zip slide into a continuous-loop pulley system. Anyone have that set up on your boat, and has it worked well? In regards to racing, does the stack pack cause any noticeable windage? Nope, we dont want one. Stackpacks usually attach to the boom by one of two methods and the most appropriate method depends on the foot of your Mainsail. Thanks! I have a 44 ft cutter which I single hand a fair bit. It is so much simpler and faster than flaking and covering. And I know that some sailors don't like the look of the bag (biminis, connectors or dodgers too) but I do like the look and the rest of the canvas keep the spray off the "admiral" (and me) and the sun off too which is especially nice since I've already have had two bouts with cancer. Ive crewed on several boats with the stackpack system and considered one for me. That included zipping up the stack pack. I have lazy jacks. It is important that the lazy jacks never take the full weight of the sail and the boom. Copyright 2022 Advanced Textiles Association. Early in my business I spent time analyzing failure points of covers. Accepted file types: jpg, png, jpeg, Max. The zipper is the weak point and its more windage. Whereas I cant speak to the ease of the system you are looking into, I can, perhaps, add something to the discussion here of alternatives. However if you don't wan't to splash out lazy jacks at least will do most of the work. They connected to the boom at three spots and had control lines run through cheek blocks placed 2/3rds up the mast back down to small cleats. Each leg is tied to the stack pack loop on either end, so you have four lines that make up your legs, all eight ends of the legs tied to the stack pack. A sailmaker from Doyle Sails approached me one day and asked if he could copy some of my ideas, as he liked the way my covers worked. You must log in or register to reply here. If you will be raising and dropping the main regularly like when cruising, then a pack system is much better. One thing to watch is with full battens in my main I sometimes have a problem with the end of one of the shorter battens getting fouled in the lazy jack when hoisting the main. Required fields are marked *. Then just zip it right up, zip on the front piece and you're literally good to go. I have a Dutchman system and it is great raising the sail I don't have to worry about it snagging on the lazy jack lines and when I drop the sail it flakes nicely onto the boom. I struggled for a year without lazy jacks or stackpack and now wonder why I waited so long. Alternatively, get in touch with us by filling out an enquiry form below. Very early in cruising, we discovered that when raising your mainsail, the lazy jacks get in the way. (though not hard if someone is tailing the line and you can use both hands on the handle and/or pull the halyard out from the mast). Stackpacks enable easy furling and stowage of a Mainsail. Most people that have them like them. Use a hot knife with the rope cutter attachment to trim your rope and use our tricks to replace running rigging to remove the old lazy jack and replace it with the newer one. All that said, what were talking about is predominantly a cosmetic issue, so having new ones made is fairly low on the priority list. Especially since my (almost) 69 year old body can now haul the main up from the cockpit because of the Tides Track, with just a bit of cranking needed to tighten the luff, and drop from there too right into the bag. Some great feedback there, with the majority in favour of Stac-Pack and only JumbleDuck quite 'anti'. Any traditional sail cover we manufacture now has a mesh lining, and they last far longer than ones without a liningthe abrasion resistance of the mesh greatly improves the life of the cover and gives extra reinforcement in all areas of the cover. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I've had both. Porthandbuoy, I daresay you're only going to read about the positive side of lazyjacks, herewhich is appropriate, because they're fantastic! JavaScript is disabled. This adds strength for the rope pull points. At the bottom of the sail cover we run 12mm-1/2-inch PVC pipe between the two layers, through which the rope runs. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Stackpack is better at taming the sail when it's dropped. After six years of sailing short-handed, I'm ready to make raising and dropping the sails much less dramatic. But with a larger ketch and without fully battened sails I might feel differently. The cupped shape really hugs the shape of the mast, eliminating the need for Velcro, which breaks down quickly under UV exposure. ~~~ Recapping our 10 Favorite Photos from the Baha, The mast came down! Check here to Subscribe to notifications for new posts. I would think that when traveling down where you are heading that the concern would be tight and low profile when the sails are down, since you will be more likely to get into heavier weather.
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